paternalistic argument, where they have to pay for your choices, and if not they are imposing their religion on you. that is a backwards notion. >> the idea that women are simply reproductive units that have to be given drugs or abortion drugs, that strikes me as an insufficient moral anthropological respect for women. >> there are a few rhetorical deficiencies that loom large in the emory, but they are in -- memory, but they are in contrast to pro-life wins. to what do you attribute those gains at the state level? >> there are political developments that should embolden us. just the size of the crowd here, and the youthfulness, and if anybody like the republican party were to abandon this issue, imagine losing the energy of the people gathered here today, how disappointed they would be. we need to be realistic about what this legislation can do. it was only, 2010," was loader - lower turnout, but there was a wave election where obamacare was the central theme, and it should still be because we have not seen it yet. we are just getting the foreshadowing before the big earthquake. that brough